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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:00 pm

http://www.pornbb.org/scoreville-1-2-3-beta-t4887273.html

you will see that Karel, one of the guys who developed simbro2 is working on this project now Smile

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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:07 pm

randomito wrote:http://www.pornbb.org/scoreville-1-2-3-beta-t4887273.html

you will see that Karel, one of the guys who developed simbro2 is working on this project now Smile

Oki, thnx. I'll check it out later.

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Re: The new SB project

Post by Guest on Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:16 pm

I have high hopes for this... :c
I could help find images of characters.

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Post by OverHao on Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:41 pm

ok ok now I'm a little busy, I'll be more specific later ... (About one hour)

I'm still gathering ideas but:

-I like the drag and drop system

-the game will be somewhere between a "sim date" and "sim brothel" but still something new

-make a graphic like doraquest for me is not a problem ...

P.S.:we need a system to share files and ideas under development you have any idea?
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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:58 pm

OverHao wrote:ok ok now I'm a little busy, I'll be more specific later ... (About one hour)

I'm still gathering ideas but:

-I like the drag and drop system

-the game will be somewhere between a "sim date" and "sim brothel" but still something new

-make a graphic like doraquest for me is not a problem ...

P.S.:we need a system to share files and ideas under development you have any idea?


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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:33 pm

OverHao wrote:ok ok now I'm a little busy, I'll be more specific later ... (About one hour)

I'm still gathering ideas but:

-I like the drag and drop system

-the game will be somewhere between a "sim date" and "sim brothel" but still something new

-make a graphic like doraquest for me is not a problem ...

P.S.:we need a system to share files and ideas under development you have any idea?

I guess 'About one hour' didn't work out Smile

- I never worked with Drag/Drop class in RenPy, I'll take a look at cardgame in the cookbook that uses it. There are no sim indies that use that, if we decide to take that route, we'll be the first.

- 'between' and 'something new', stuff like that always scares be. The more definite concept will be the quicker we'll be done but I would like to say one more time that SimBrothel is already a very good concept. We can just enrich it with graphics and remodel the idea a little bit.

- Graphics like that not being a problem is very encouraging. I am not sure that those graphics is what we need but whatever interface you create on that level will be very good.


I've tried to code something but quickly gave up since we haven't even decided on how our trait/stat system will work, what brothels will be like and so on.

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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:07 am

Xela wrote:

Skype chat paired with shared folder on DropBox.


I am not on skype but I have yahoo and msn ...

I don't know "dropbox" either ... albino

by the way i will be on vacation most of august, I will try to learn renpy during these weeks ! study



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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:42 am

randomito wrote:
Xela wrote:

Skype chat paired with shared folder on DropBox.


I am not on skype but I have yahoo and msn ...

I don't know "dropbox" either ... albino

by the way i will be on vacation most of august, I will try to learn renpy during these weeks ! study



Well, our graphics designer doesn't seem to have a lot of free online time but even if this doesn't work out, renpy is something that is really fun to learn. I am still figuring how stuff works there since I focused on pure Python during most of my studies but it offers a lot of possibilities.

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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:20 am

hmm without a graphic designer we are back at the initial issue of all the simbro releases : we don't own the rights to the graphics we use Razz

Overhao, when you come back, please give us some guidelines so that we can start looking how it can be done bounce

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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:18 pm

randomito wrote:hmm without a graphic designer we are back at the initial issue of all the simbro releases : we don't own the rights to the graphics we use Razz

Overhao, when you come back, please give us some guidelines so that we can start looking how it can be done bounce

There are dozens of good tutorials on how to make a frame or a button. Noone really cares about rights since this is free and uses stolen artwork of artists that stole characters from games and anime...

I will focus on Alkion for now, we've decided to take a new route and now in an enclave near a large city you can build buildings and manage them. First release will be brothel focused, second will include battle engine and walkabout engine so it will be battle oriented and rest of releases will be story depth and development of different building types than a brothel. We have a whole universe planned out where starting with second version you will be attacked by monster and will have to train girls and hire warriors to defend your turf. Building will be done on simple tiles, loads of sprites can be found for that. We also now have a very good artist for graphics design and custom made buildings.

So for now I have something to keep myself busy in free time, I'll try to learn Drag/Drop in RenPy and create a Drag/Drop inventory Smile

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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:27 pm

Xela wrote:Noone really cares about rights since this is free and uses stolen artwork of artists that stole characters from games and anime...

actually there are people who care and if by mistake you use artwork from some artists or companies you get a lawsuit very quickly. Just look at what happened to the guys who used images from Jab or or who used SexVilla to create scenes No You can only get rid of the lawsuit by paying 1300 euros penalty ...

If we do our own artwork we won't have to worry about that cheers

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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Tue Jul 31, 2012 2:51 pm

randomito wrote:
Xela wrote:Noone really cares about rights since this is free and uses stolen artwork of artists that stole characters from games and anime...

actually there are people who care and if by mistake you use artwork from some artists or companies you get a lawsuit very quickly. Just look at what happened to the guys who used images from Jab or or who used SexVilla to create scenes No You can only get rid of the lawsuit by paying 1300 euros penalty ...

If we do our own artwork we won't have to worry about that cheers

What happened with guys who used images from Jab or SexVilla? I know Jab was attacked himself for using copyrighted characters but ONLY after he went commercial! There is little point in going after a non profit project because you'll be bordering fair use policy and simply draw an unwanted attention to the project and your own enterprise. SexVilla/Jab I can sort of understand since it cannot harm their reputation as they do porn themselves. Artists/large companies are not likely to care at all.

Why do you care about artwork in this kind of a project I cannot understand. There are characters from god knows how many Japanese and American companies being mishandled in threads on this very forum, including giants like Disney. Japanese 'Jump' are no pushovers either... and there are like 100 characters that they own being used in any SimBro game out there. Not to mentioning 'Celeb' additions...

Forums where you linked me to (Dating sim) are also flooded with stolen copyrighted content.

You will get sued the hell out of you if you try to sell game like this... Otherwise:

The four fair use factors are as follows:

The purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
The nature of the copyrighted work, such as whether the work is fiction or non-fiction, published or unpublished;
The amount of the work used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole, such as using a poem in its entirety, or using one chapter from a long book;
The effect of the use upon the potential market for the copyrighted work.

This is clearly a nonprofit, non commercial use. Also a bit educational since noone here is a professional and everyone is trying to learn something (like us = programming). I also cannot see any artist/company being effected by this.

+ I seriously doubt they can sue you without simply asking to remove their content from your project first. Noone is trying to get rich or screw another person here... suggesting otherwise might be considered retarded.

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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:07 pm

oh yeah right , I forgot about Disney too ! No

as long as you stay below the radar you are fine, and I think Simbro has remained below the radar for now. But if some of the lawyers, who work for these companies, find out about this project using some of their copyrighted work then you can prepare for a *very* tough time, fair use or not.

The only "excuse" is when you make parodies, this is how jab went out of their fangs ... saying that their content is stolen almost everywhere is not an excuse at all. These lawyers make their living with the penalties they collect.

this being said, there are ways to create free content using tools like poser 8, I have played around with it a bit but I am really not gifted for graphics I guess Razz


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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Tue Jul 31, 2012 4:51 pm

randomito wrote:oh yeah right , I forgot about Disney too ! No

as long as you stay below the radar you are fine, and I think Simbro has remained below the radar for now. But if some of the lawyers, who work for these companies, find out about this project using some of their copyrighted work then you can prepare for a *very* tough time, fair use or not.

The only "excuse" is when you make parodies, this is how jab went out of their fangs ... saying that their content is stolen almost everywhere is not an excuse at all. These lawyers make their living with the penalties they collect.

this being said, there are ways to create free content using tools like poser 8, I have played around with it a bit but I am really not gifted for graphics I guess Razz


... matter of Philosophy at this point...

There is no 'only' excuse. There is law and I do not believe that it is lawful to fine someone who believes that Fair Use applies (even if only by common logic) in a non-commercial/non profit project without even asking to stop farther development and distribution first. And I doubt there is a 'radar' as well + SimBrothel can make a decent parody!

It is not possible to go through life being scared of every law and rule. Do what is logical, get consultation from a lawyer where there is money involved but this sh!t is getting ridiculous bounce

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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:02 pm

Actually in my country theft is theft, if its an image, an mp3 or a loaf of bread.
And I had two US colleagues who were fired from their job because they had a couple of pirated music files on their laptops ! Fair use has never been a law unfortunately Embarassed

And there are quite a few "radars" out there, as I said some companies even make money through these lawsuits.

I am not scared though but why not putting away any chances if we can ? And wouldn't it be nice to have some own content instead of just stealing what can be found elsewhere ? cheers

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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:47 pm

randomito wrote:Actually in my country theft is theft, if its an image, an mp3 or a loaf of bread.

Congrats on living in such a wonderful place... not seeing a difference between music and a loaf of bread is a real parody here...

randomito wrote:Fair use has never been a law unfortunately Embarassed

Laws are different I guess... In US Fair Use is a law. Israel went even further:

On September 2, 2009 Israeli District court ruled out a detailed decision[33] not allowing disclosure of "John Doe"'s details for the request of the FA Premier League based on several reasons, but the most interesting were that "fair use" under the new Israeli law of 2007 (which is based on the US 4 factors test) is a right and not merely a defense.

Most countries have their own take on Fair Use but I doubt that in EU country where I live anyone really gives a f#ck anyway...


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And there are quite a few "radars" out there, as I said some companies even make money through these lawsuits.

Respectful job... hats off to these people... upholding the law and punishing the wicked like that must be a real blessing!

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I am not scared though but why not putting away any chances if we can ? And wouldn't it be nice to have some own content instead of just stealing what can be found elsewhere ? cheers

Takes longer... will not be as good. I am not suggesting purposely hacking someone's database, but if there is something that can be used at least in part, I would say it's ok.

For now, I would postpone this project until we can get more people on it anyway. OverHao got everyone fired up and disappeared for what? 3 or 4 days now? More stable team is needed for a project like this, we've been working on Alkion for an year now and still are like 30% done... and most of the team is online every day (not working on the project daily, but still checking in)

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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:58 pm

Xela wrote:
randomito wrote:Actually in my country theft is theft, if its an image, an mp3 or a loaf of bread.
Congrats on living in such a wonderful place... not seeing a difference between music and a loaf of bread is a parody even on bizzaro world..

no sure where you live but this is the reality in most western countries (sigh)


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randomito wrote:
And there are quite a few "radars" out there, as I said some companies even make money through these lawsuits.

Respectful job... hats off to these people... upholding the law and punishing the wicked like that must be a real blessing!

and earns them heaps of money No
Also remember what happened to "puteland", the swiss online simbro ... pale

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randomito wrote:
I am not scared though but why not putting away any chances if we can ? And wouldn't it be nice to have some own content instead of just stealing what can be found elsewhere ? cheers

Takes longer... will not be as good. I am not suggesting purposely hacking someone's database, but if there is something that can be used at least in part, I would say it's ok.

while searching for a way to create original stuff I stumbled across http://www.makehuman.org , I am sure we could find some more of these tools for our content. I agree that this would be additional work but it could be fun aswell santa

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For now, I would postpone this project until we can get more people on it anyway. OverHao got everyone fired up and disappeared for what? 3 or 4 days now? More stable team is needed for a project like this, we've been working on Alkion for an year now and still are like 30% done... and most of the team is online every day (not working on the project daily, but still checking in)

well I think that most of us have interferences from real life, like work, wife/girlfriend, etc ... Laughing
Do you have a link to Alkion btw ? I'd like to see what it is about. Thanks

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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:04 pm

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This is an old alpha release of Alkion. I didn't bother translating the last version into English since most changes so far were in the area of code, not gui. Original is in Russian.

**http://www.mediafire.com/?a6qkan5dpb7m4px**

I've posted it before. Development blog is in Russian so I doubt it will be of any use to you. This is an older version, we should have a much better one in a month or two!

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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:08 pm

Xela wrote:
Xela wrote:
This is an old alpha release of Alkion. I didn't bother translating the last version into English since most changes so far were in the area of code, not gui. Original is in Russian.

**http://www.mediafire.com/?a6qkan5dpb7m4px**

I've posted it before. Development blog is in Russian so I doubt it will be of any use to you. This is an older version, we should have a much better one in a month or two!

thanks ! ia nje panimaiou parusski indeed pale

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Post by Xela on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:12 pm

randomito wrote:
Xela wrote:
Xela wrote:
This is an old alpha release of Alkion. I didn't bother translating the last version into English since most changes so far were in the area of code, not gui. Original is in Russian.

**http://www.mediafire.com/?a6qkan5dpb7m4px**

I've posted it before. Development blog is in Russian so I doubt it will be of any use to you. This is an older version, we should have a much better one in a month or two!

thanks ! ia nje panimaiou parusski indeed pale

Hgehe.. you just said: 'I don't understand small sails' so I'll take your word for it Laughing

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Post by randomito on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:20 pm

Xela wrote:
randomito wrote:
Xela wrote:
Xela wrote:
This is an old alpha release of Alkion. I didn't bother translating the last version into English since most changes so far were in the area of code, not gui. Original is in Russian.

**http://www.mediafire.com/?a6qkan5dpb7m4px**

I've posted it before. Development blog is in Russian so I doubt it will be of any use to you. This is an older version, we should have a much better one in a month or two!

thanks ! ia nje panimaiou parusski indeed pale

Hgehe.. you just said: 'I don't understand small sails' so I'll take your word for it Laughing

hey at least I got the first half right ! Laughing

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Re: The new SB project

Post by DraxHollowKnight on Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:01 am

Please do not make a sim brothel with pop ups like simbrx so confusing
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Re: The new SB project

Post by OverHao on Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:06 pm

WTF... emh... sorry if I was down for some days but my summer job take me all the day and I have only one free day per week... however I have not given up and I'm still work on the concept...
as we have not found better solutions I will open a new post in which I will share my notes...
in September I'll have much more time in the meantime I will try to do everything possible
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Re: The new SB project

Post by randomito on Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:12 pm

lol

you can still count on me ;-)

during my vacation in august I will try to finish my prototype in C# so that you can see what my ideas were.

When we agree on a design then we can still switch to dev in renpy ...

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Re: The new SB project

Post by Xela on Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:21 am

Well, writing out the concept is already a huge part of the job. The more concrete the better. C# is a fine choice as well by the way, along with a decent framework it can work.

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